HARINGEY COUNCIL F.O.I.A. REQUEST REPLY [below] STATES IT COST £1000 TO COLLATE THAT 195 CHILDREN WERE TAKEN INTO CARE THERE IN 2014-15 [that’s approx. 4 per week]??? THE REST OF THE FOIA REQUEST WAS DEEMED TOO EXPENSIVE TO REPLY TO, SO IT WASNT REPLIED TO. £1000? IS THIS REAL??  at that [alleged] cost its a good reason to say its too expensive to complete the request.

Self- harm suicide and depression in children whilst under social services

S. Prichard made this Freedom of Information request to Haringey Borough Council
This request has an unknown status. We’re waiting for S. Prichard to read a recent response and update the status.

From: S. Prichard

16 April 2015

Dear Haringey Borough Council,Following our request dated 27th November 2014 regarding social
services causing emotional harm to children… and a study by Nyas

“NYAS has found that in the past five years there have been at
least one thousand children and young people have been admitted to
mental health in-patient units while they were in care. The fact
that there is no shared data across central government departments
is concerning.”  [how can NYAS figure of 1000 be correct?? this figure does not relate to just Haringey council – see the link! At 195 / year Haringey co. would’ve shown a figure for 5 years of nearly 1000 alone – what about the rest of the country?? the true figure for the country must be phenomenal?  ed.]

1. We would like to know how many children in care have suffered
emotional harm or mental health issues AFTER children were removed
from parents care and have had the following issues:-

a) Self-harmed
b) Committed suicide – please state methods
c) Attempted suicide – please state methods
d) Sectioned
e) Abused in care
i) Physically
ii) Emotionally
iii) Sexually
f) Anorexia
g) Bulimia
h) Drug or substance abuse
i) Depression
j) Suicidal Thoughts

2. What is your councils policy with dealing with any of the above

We want stats where the children are only diagnosed once placed in
care and after the children were removed from parents care, and had
no diagnoses prior to removal. from parents. Please go back 5
years, stats year on year.

Yours faithfully,

S. Prichard

From: FOI
Haringey Borough Council

17 April 2015

Dear S  Prichard,Freedom of Information Request: Reference LBH/4208015I acknowledge your request for information received on 17 April 2015.

This information request will be dealt with in accordance with the Freedom
of Information Act 2000 and we will send the response by 18 May 2015.

If you have any questions, please contact us on 020 8489 1988 or

email address].Yours sincerely

Sirkku Pietikäinen

Feedback Review Officer

Haringey Council

River Park House, 225 High Road, London N22 8HQ

T. 020 8489 2552


email address][2]



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From: Bhardwaja Neelam
Haringey Borough Council

29 April 2015

Ms PrichardFreedom of Information Act Request (ref: LBH 4208015)Fees Notice

Thank you for your e-mail which was received on 17^th April 2015 in which
you request the following information;

1.    How many children in care have suffered emotional harm or mental
health issues AFTER children were removed from parents care and have had
the following issues:-

a)    Self-harmed

b)    Committed suicide – please state methods

c)    Attempted suicide – please state methods

d)    Sectioned

e)    Abused in care

i)    Physically

ii)   Emotionally

iii)  Sexually

f)    Anorexia

g)    Bulimia

h)    Drug or substance abuse

i)    Depression

j)    Suicidal Thoughts

2.    What is the local authority council policy with dealing with any of
the above .

You also request statistics that relate to the previous 5 years (year on
year) to focus on situations where the children are only diagnosed once
placed in care, after the children were removed from parents care, and
where there was no diagnoses prior to removal from parents.

In terms of Question 2. The local authority response centres on a
multi-agency multi-disciplinary approach in meeting the needs of children
and young people who are looked after by the local authority, these being
internal and external partners.

I can confirm that the number of children who became looked after in the
years you specified are:

Stat Neighbour
2010-11 2011-12 2012013 2013-14 2014-15-Provisional 2011-12 2012-13 2013-14
310 255 195 225 195 203 216 226

2014-2015 (provisional)

195In terms of Question 1, the information is not collected in an easily
accessed format.  Section 12 of the Freedom of Information Act allows
public authorities to refuse requests for information where the cost of
dealing with them would exceed the appropriate limit, which for local
government is set at £450.  This represents the estimated cost of one
person spending 18 hours in determining whether the department holds the
information, locating, retrieving and extracting the information.  In this
instance we have estimated that it will cost £1,000 to provide you with
the required information.  This amount is therefore over the appropriate
limit as specified in the regulations and consequently we are not obliged
by the Freedom of Information Act to respond to your request.  We will not
therefore be processing your request further.

The fee has been calculated as follows:

Task Estimated Hours
number of multiplied by
Hours £25

Determining whether the information is held 10 £250

Locating the information 10 £250

Retrieving the information 10 £250

Extracting the information from other 10 £250

Total 40 hours £1,000

It may be possible to amend your request so that it does not incur a
charge.  For example, you may wish to refine your request by being more
specific about what information you particularly wish to obtain, including
any dates or period of time relevant to the information required.

Please note however that any amended request received would be considered
a new request and new timescale would apply.

If you have any further queries, or are unhappy with how we have dealt
with your request and wish to make a complaint, please contact the
Feedback and Information Team as below.  (Please note you should do this
within two months of receiving this response.)

Feedback and Information Team

River Park House

225 High Road,

N22 8HQ

Telephone: 020 8489 2550

Email: [1][email address]

If you are not content with the outcome of your complaint you may apply
directly to the Information Commissioner (ICO), although generally the ICO
cannot make a decision unless you have exhausted the complaints procedure
within Haringey Council.  The contact details for the ICO are:

FOI/ EIR Complaints Resolution

Information Commissioner’s Office

Wycliffe House

Water Lane




Telephone: 01625 545 745

Email: [2][email address]

Website: [3]


Neelam Bhardwaja

Assistant Director – Safeguarding & Social Care

Haringey Council

The Children & Young People’s Service

1^st floor, River Park House, 225 High Road, London N22 8HQ

Tel : 020 8489 4676 – PA 3860

[mobile number]

Email: [4][email address]



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